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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Wed 10 Jan - 14:01

I can tranlate that for web3D-fr , fab , if you are OK

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Given that outers has died again I had to release this a
little early. It was that or have everyone run off to
secondlife Razz

http://www.vrmlworlds.com/software/vp3d_chat/

It works with both Blaxxun/BS Contact and Cortona, and
doesn't require any extra software installation. It also
allows use of most existing Blaxxun type avatars.

There is a developers guide for those who want to add it to
their own worlds. Its really simple to do.

Keep an eye on the home page, I plan to add more features
soon, like thumbnail images for the world list.

Best of all it doesn't crash.

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 11 Jan - 4:40

Yes Alain I think that will do nicely for web3d-fr too, I never thought of that.
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 11 Jan - 9:48

LOL !!
I spent time to translate that

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Étant donné que les outers sont encore morts j'ai dû avancer là dessus :

http://www.vrmlworlds.com/software/vp3d_chat/

C'était ça ou voir tout le monde se ruer vers SecondLife .

Cela fonctionne à la fois avec avec Cortona et Blaxxun/BS,
et n'exige aucune installation supplémentaire .
Cela permet également l'utilisation de la plupart des avatars de type Blaxxun.
Il y a une documentation pour ceux qui veulent l'ajouter à leurs propres mondes.
C'est très simple à faire.
Gardez un oeil sur la page d'accueil, je projette d' ajouter plus d' aide bientôt,
comme des imagettes pour la liste des mondes.
Enfin , et pas le moindre , on n'y crashe pas .


then I went to web3d-fr , to copy it ,

and.....

I found that Jean Miche Flamant wrote the same !!
ahah

http://www.web3d-fr.com/bp_breve.php3?id_breve=1834


well , it is ok , now they all know Smile

or who wants to know will know Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 11 Jan - 12:24

hmm Alain could you post on:
http://www.vr4all.net/forum/
http://forum.revemonde.net/

oh and send an email to Jokita, (look for
letter icon on http://www.bonsurf.net/chats.htm)
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 11 Jan - 12:45

you mean my translation ?
and the links on web3d ?


ok will do , except on revemonde , LOL , I have no relation with , may be some here around have ....so they could ...

well wanted to tell too that my Internet Explorer is very "tired" ,
at home , and dont shows *.png files ...
so I discovered at school , that the Peter chat has this barr Smile

very much better than the printscreens I made from home LOL


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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 12 Jan - 10:09

Important: changes made to VP3D chat system

refer to http://www.vrmlworlds.com/software/vp3d_chat/developerguide.html

Basically the 'website' field has been renamed to 'chatServer' , also note that this fieldname is used in two places.

At the moment this change won't break existing worlds, this will change in the future though. I plan to use the website field so authors can have a link to their website's home page on the list.
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Sun 14 Jan - 23:38

I mailed jokina , fab ,


she saw the links ...

but was not sure how to use it ...

about vr4all , all the guys there know well web3d-fr ,

( I checked that there , on vr4all forum ..

and web3d-fr wrote friendly about alternatives chats and yours ,

so I guess it is OK ..

nobody around to go to revemonde ? LOL

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 18 Jan - 13:08

j'ai trouvé ce lien
http://vrmlworld.net/
sans avoir le temps d'aller plus loin.
est-ce que vous connaissez?
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 18 Jan - 14:19

ah oui , regarde :

http://louisedesavoie.forumactif.com/ARTS-f19/3D-art-f25/3D-gallery-f26/vrmlworldnet-ABnet-t1711.htm

c'esr Rick Kimball , avec un chat en java et des tas de trucs

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 18 Jan - 18:25

humm scuse about the sort of "banner" there up ,

to show who was connected .......

but indeed it was not easy to post on Louise during the page was refreshing Sad

so now are juste the links ..

hope it still helps a bit to use these chats .......

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 19 Jan - 1:57

Very Happy No, thank you for having it there such a long time Very Happy

It did bring some people from time to time into the chats.

About the bad effect while posting, the fault was mine, because my refresh is every 20 sec Smile lol, sorry for that What a Face Fab does refresh the list once a minute, so we could not really blame it on him.

Well, at this point, some server statistics, which might be interesting for some of you :

In the time from Jan 1st 2007 to Jan 17th 2007 the server did get 403.088 hits

354.971 files where transferred

52.736 pages called

It had 3.209 "visitors" and each of them did request 16,43 pages (average)

The transfer volume has been 397.683 kb

Well, sounds like a lot... lol Laughing

50,46 % of the hits were on the chat list refresh (those in louise's and schizzo's) and it made 51.6% of the traffic. This refresh was done every 20 secs.

31,76 % of the hits - with 15.84% of traffic - were on the chat refresh, that means, people chatting. This refresh is done every 2 seconds.

The next file in the ranking is the default avatar (aka incognito), lol, with 0.32% of the hits and just 7.17% of traffic.

If my maths don't fail (and probably they do), there have been

426 minutes of chat (buggy but not crashy, despite MSIE, lol)

Okay, so long, thank's to all for your patience and for the beta testing, specially to the

o0o0o0o0o0o0oo####+K+I+D+S####oo0o0o0o0o0o

They are the very best beta-testers. If a chat survives the visit of 5 kids like those, it is, at least, waterproof. Mr. Green

Of course, lot of thanks also to the big ones which also came : Alain, Isa, MeriBastet, Omind, jpg, Shadowtraveller, Korben, Venom, Magnum, Jack ... sorry, for sure I forget to mention the most important ones.

N3DME was honoured by Hermi's visit from time to time, but i still don't know if he finally did get the chat text ... Laughing Thank's for trying at least.

Jicer is a n3dme insider, he's comming since one year and he is also messing his http://schizzo.free.fr frontpage with the chat list since then, so : "Muchísimas gracias, Jacinto"

What could I say to X ? Well, he's a part of n3dme now. Thank's Colin for making it your's or at least for treating it as well as if it was your child.

Last not least, a big THANK YOU to Fabricator "the loyal competitor" for the inspiration - n3dme idea was born after seeing first time his chat - , for some good bug reports and also for some constructive critics.

Well, n3dme is still there http://3dchat.3d-check.com and I hope to make it a bit better with some time. You all deserve it.

Thank's

Cyber Thank's

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 19 Jan - 9:35

wow !

thanx for the good news .........!!!

re iframe there up ! LOL

may be you changed the refresh to 1 minut ? did you ?

well ......no prob btw , I didn't tought that is was really useful up there ,

ok if it is , we keep it like that , and thanx and re thanx ...


and don't forget to send me all the chat logs when my pupils were on the chats , I must survey their talks LOL
( I joke Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 19 Jan - 10:11

Laughing No, I had not changed the refresh yet shakng2

Now I did.

But don't feel forced to show the list up there What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 19 Jan - 10:20

I don't feel forced , I am a free man ! aahahhahaha I joke Peter Smile

nonon I was stuck to post ,

really ,

dont know why it seems ok that morning ,

lol

may be I am better awake Smile

and indeed my puter is not so good ....

well ........dont feel forced too to refresh each hour Smile

last stupid joke Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 19 Jan - 11:29

alain wrote:

but indeed it was not easy to post on Louise during the page was refreshing Sad

I can make a non refreshing version, at least for my chat that would be usefull. I offered to host the frameset so I could actually make changes to it.
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 19 Jan - 11:44

ah ..don't worry fab , today it seems better for me ,

perhaps Peter is 1 mn each time now , or my puter is better today LOL

change nothing , it is ok , re thanx

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Fri 19 Jan - 11:46

Ah I forgot to refresh this thread before posting.

Anyway this is from my server logs so far this month:

for the perl script (mostly used for my chat)
214515 hits (75.7 % of all hits)
232.31 MB 30 % of all bandwidth

The only thing using more bandwidth is all the images on my website, which includes textures.

I don't have a counter for how many different people visited the chat, it would be nice to have but not so easy to implement.
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Mon 22 Jan - 15:28

http://tecfa.unige.ch/staf/staf-e/delhom/staf14/ex8/article1.php
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www.geometrek.com
normalement c est la que ca se passe
mais bizarrement le site es clos ?
tout cela de la 3d multiuser a l air bien mysterieux en ce moment , vous ne trouver pas?
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"As far as DeepMatrix:
According to http://www.geometrek.com/products/deepmatrix.html
"The client is realised as a Java applet which uses the EAI to
communicate with a VRML browser plugin such as Blaxxun Contact
or ParallelGraphics Cortona ... You'll need Internet Explorer 5.x
or Netscape Communicator 4.x, and VRML plug-in for this to work."
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desable geometrek is down !! all is down !! wordl is down !!
Smile

--------tecno----->
http://www.insead.fr/CALT/Encyclopedia/ComputerSciences/VR/vrml.htm
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'PEter and Fabricator chat 3D IS ENABLE !!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Mon 22 Jan - 19:08

jacinto wrote:

"As far as DeepMatrix:
According to http://www.geometrek.com/products/deepmatrix.html
"The client is realised as a Java applet which uses the EAI to
communicate with a VRML browser plugin such as Blaxxun Contact
or ParallelGraphics Cortona ... You'll need Internet Explorer 5.x
or Netscape Communicator 4.x, and VRML plug-in for this to work."
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desable geometrek is down !! all is down !! wordl is down !!
Smile

'PEter and Fabricator chat 3D IS ENABLE !!!!

Its this part that killed off deepmatrix is : "a Java applet which uses the EAI to communicate with a VRML browser".
EAI relies on the Microsoft Java VM, which is dead itself now, most people are using Sun Java instead, which doesn't support EAI.

There are a few chat servers which have died in the past, but I can't see my becoming a part of that too easily Smile

Oh well, back to writing more documentation.
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Tue 23 Jan - 10:00

Donza is coming soon ,
she tested the chats ,

it was a mail , but I guess I can say that news .....

now the question is :

how having ppl knowing that these chats exists ,

and how having them connected on "usual" hours ...



may be the way is to organize some meeting , no ???

using our list of friends
and forum members etc )

-( seamless , cyberhenge , cyworx , Louise , spafon , bubble , magnus , etc ...

no ?

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Tue 23 Jan - 16:53

bonjour,
je refflechi a cette histoire de chat3D, et voici la theorie a laquelle je songe:

-chaque "builder a sont mini serveur, sur lequelle il place sont monde et aussi les monde des autre, comme sur le serveur de peter ou fab
-et une page sur internet , sur lequelle on peu voir les serveur ouvert avec les monde ouvert, et aussi les monde en simple user.

pour que cela se mette en place il faut:
un serveur open source, de chat3D efficasse et facille a installer sur n'importe que ordi .

voila je traduit pas , mais si tu comprend Alain traduit pour moi (tu connais ma nulliter en langue anglaise)
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Tue 23 Jan - 19:10

Heh found another one, typing the words cortona and chat into google has my site on the first page ! Same ranking results for "3d chat cortona", which is 8th.

Looks like with enough links that page should rank a lot better.
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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Tue 23 Jan - 19:18

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 25 Jan - 10:20

from web3d-fr :

http://www.web3d-fr.com/foroum/index.php?s=e1f69a43b8e5cd4d94544332a63782fa&showtopic=3574&pid=15146&st=0&#entry15146


it links to

http://www.mission-base.com/uni-weimar/peter/mututorial/shared/

and to

http://www.mission-base.com/uni-weimar/peter/mututorial/shared/examples/shared/contact4.htm



no time to look at that stuff ....now....

do you know it , fab ??

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PostSubject: Re: 3D chats alternatives 2007   Thu 25 Jan - 17:57

Yes I've seen this, this allows three things.

1) you can send chat from within 3d
2) you can find the name of the chat group you are in, public is the default but you can create additional chat groups.
3) allows you to read the current chat text, but NOT the name of the person saying it.

Its the limitation on the 3rd function which reallys breaks things. Say you wanted to make a world where a bot has some commands but only responds if Alain says them, well you can't.

You can't make a normal chat with entirely 3d either, as a conversation like :
hi
hello
um who are you ?

with no names it doesn't make sense does it.

The other issue is you still need Blaxxun's server and Blaxxun's unstable chat to use these functions.

The SharedEvents is another thing I have to get working, I have a demo but its far from finished.
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