Seamless

baille baille monde pourri !

http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/baille.wrl

Its a lovely butterfly Isa, I see the bezier shape you used for the body
Thanks

I see you are on a roll with these morphing heads Alain
is this rhinocanardpresident a political statement?

thyme wrote:

is this rhinocanardpresident a political statement?

Yes I was bornt to be a President ! oupssss a canard I mean .........

and yes I do know that it is stupid :

http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/tete.wrl

hey that head is an interesting experiment alain

hello Thyme

http://www2.ac-lyon.fr/etab/colleges/col-01/savoie/spip.php?article205

Many thanks Alain Very uplifting to see this

I begin end of september ,
it will take me 4 weeks because I must they will be able to go have 2 groups for each class ,

so ... 80 pupils will try ...they will have just 1+1 hour ,
I know that it is short , but we will see how they manage to ouput something

btw they will be able to go on freely , after that ...

here it will be lOL

http://www2.ac-lyon.fr/etab/colleges/col-01/savoie/spip.php?article82

I hope all is ok for you , Thyme ..... best wishes

That's great to hear Alain. I am really interested to hear how your students progress
If there is any way I can help that would be great.
I am doing fine thanks, I have been messing around with lots of different ideas, at the moment I am experimenting with Bezier Patches

hum I was afraid you that you were sad to hear bout "only 2 hours " ,
but I can't spend hours on that , I have many to do with them ,
we have just 25 hours each year , fort "arts plastiques " ..


But today I opened seamless on my video projector , 27 pupils
looking at
and
writing some notes about how to output a wrl , how to save etc ...

I spent half an to show the basic , and it was not very funny ..
( for us LOL )
but then .... I opened the "pourisasmls.smsl" file
witch I will gave them to start from ...







and I began to show quiclkly how to make "legs" or "nose " ......
with the tug radisus

they all started to laught !!!! )


It was a nice moment

I hope I will succeed to have some monsters )

Hello Thyme long time not see you i hope all is ok for you

I come just for a small joke:)

the history begins...

Alain made an open fete ( party ) but.... empty and sad very sad looll

http://dumenieu.free.fr/vrml/fete/fete2lentfin2.wrl

with barbapapa machin ... !! it is a good delicacy for the large ones and the small ones... all people eat that

then part veiled me has to make the "barbapapa" in France it is an old animated drawing which I looked when i have a baby ...so i have an idea to use bézier "my friend" now.... for made my curve

good the problem it is that there is the barbamama 's childrens are seventh !! I forgot one girl more!

http://site.voila.fr/isa37/barbapapa/famille4.wrl

the fete of A lain is better happy like that

http://dumenieu.free.fr/vrml/fete/fete2lentfin5filles2.wrl

merci Bézier and Thyme and Alain and familly's Barbapapa

see you soon bye bye

Lovely looking characters Isa I assume the torsos are made using Seamless Bezier lathes? I much like the 3d eyebrows and all of the faces you made for them, they are made with flux studio? what feature do you use, extrusion? swept surface? and the flowers too they look great too
May I ask do you animate them your self or does Alain?
Thanks for showing me your Art Work, your new characters made me smile before I went to sleep last night
Merci

well .........as I said , I made 2 groups for each class ..

( 27 pupils .......14 puters ...


They had 2x 45 minutes ...

To look at their wrls , I made a switch and a red button ( in a Hud ) to click on ,
so ..to see each shape , one after one ...... and to get the EXAMINE mode .

I hope that Thyme will not be scared by all this ,... 2x 45 minutes is very short , btw ......
I was jumping from one pupil to another one , to help them .....

Some works scare me , but I found one or 2 guys in each class I will go to Australia with ,
( as I said to all

To be continued ... .......in 3 weeks : the other groups .....



http://dumenieu.free.fr/ecole/seamless2007/4agroupe1.wrl

http://dumenieu.free.fr/ecole/seamless2007/4bgroupe1.wrl

http://dumenieu.free.fr/ecole/seamless2007/4cgroupe1.wrl


http://dumenieu.free.fr/ecole/seamless2007/4dgroupe1.wrl

I wanted to wait Thyme to add some comments , but , first , just a funny thing
about my today logo :



I saw how they are not used to turn around the shape and using translation for the eyes etc ,
they are so used to look at things as images !!




http://dumenieu.free.fr/ecole/seamless2007/4dbaptiste.wrl

Very sorry for my delay getting back to you Alain, bumpy came down for the weekend and I have let my spam build up again in my emails and I have not planted anything in the garden yet but I am now very happy with some of the new ideas I have been experimenting with such as BezierPatches, NURBS and more recently polygon subdivision. Yes I have allowed my self to get sidetracked with new ideas yet again but I am very glad I have because seamless will be easier than ever in a shorter time to make sophisticated animated models as a result.
I developed a lot of new nodes (and improved a number of older nodes) but perhaps most of the work I have done for the last few months is already obsolete before I had a chance to demonstrate them. This feels a little sad but this obsolescence of some older techniques means I have found better ways so I am more happy than sad.
Now that I no longer have so many problems to solve I feel confident I can relax (how many times have you heard this line from me lol) and have more time to make art, get in the garden, chat in bxx, and keep up with the forums

Alain wrote:

hum I was afraid you that you were sad to hear bout "only 2 hours " ,
but I can't spend hours on that , I have many to do with them ,
we have just 25 hours each year , fort "arts plastiques " ..

Sure 2 hours sounds like a horribly short time for a whole year but this is more time spent on learning 3d than I had when I went to school lol
How much time did your student have last year on seamless? I was very impressed with some of the animations they made.

I looked at all of the new wrls before I went to sleep last night and was stimulated by all the different shapes made. I can see some look very creative in deed.
I understand the problem with the logo Alain, this is a common problem for people new to 3d graphics and even I make mistakes like this still if I don't look at it from different angles often enough while modelling
Many thanks Alain I really do appreciate all your hard work and the time you must have spent arranging all the seamless models your students have made to make a 3d slide show and thanks for extending the time of the seamless logo so that I might see it

for others who dont go to my site I close with a screen shot of an av i made in a very short time using the new polygon subdivision node thats very intuitive to use and very powerfull, perhaps showing how to use this can fit some where in the 2 hours :

)

Quote :

I can relax (how many times have you heard this line from me lol)

each 3 months ( ? )

Quote :

How much time did your student have last year on seamless? I was very impressed with some of the animations they made.

I have 2 sorts of pupils where I use 3D :
4 normal classes ( 27 pupils in each ) , an that year 2007-2008 , I let them 2 hours with seamless ..

I have smallers groups where I use ISB and FluxStudio , and sometimes they use seamless , as last year some of them did ...These ones have half the school year , or more freely ......

But some of the 4 classes I "obliged" them to use seamless , they downloaded it at home ,
so we will see I hope .. I asked them to bring the wrl to me .....

Quote :

I understand the problem with the logo ..,
this is a common problem for people new to 3d graphics ... look at it from different angles often enough while modelling

some artists used that question , look at Bernard Pras et Tim Noble here , when you will have time ..

http://perso.orange.fr/alaindumenieu/artvrml/080307.htm

Quote :

the new polygon subdivision node thats very intuitive to use and very powerfull,

here :

http://seamless3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1595&highlight=#1595



on end of november I will have

4agroupe2.wrl
4bgrpupe2.wrl
4cgrpupe2.wrl
4dgroupe2.wrl



be well Thyme

isa will come to show her last monster made with seamless

I told her that I use that way to anim each part ..

I don't know if I am rigth

hello Alain, Thyme would have to put the Alain pumpkin to you:)..

pumpkin = citrouille?

Thyme Alain does not make like me, humm me I make a little in the disorder... and not of parts..mais the result is ok too...

the problem encountered by making this pumpkin which seems more has a tomato I find...

it is which at the time of my animation I can visualize the movement only in blaxxun with the link lodged in wrl....,

output IE of seamless does not show me animation! normal?
so i make one hours for understand why?
is what that comes from my IE? it seems to to me that Alain it is ok... ?

for Donza's party loolll
http://smurfette.neuf.fr/seamless/citrouille.smls.wrl



hop! good day i go to work now

Thanks for asking this question Alain

The short answer is its fine to use only one Anim node to animate everything and this protects against problems that can arise if we do not pay attention to which anim node is selected when we are animating a part.

I would at least use only one anim node for all of the parts contained in a Seamless node for a gesture but I wonder if were asking for each Seamless node rather than each Part node?
You can have only one anim node to animate multiple Seamless nodes too or you can have one anim node for each Seamless node like you show here Alain.
The advantage of using only one anim node per file to animate everything in the file is: we can avoid the problem of accidentally making 2 anim nodes animate the same parts at the same point in time. It is very easy to make this mistake now that seamless automatically adds script for the selected anim node when ever we pose our model.
To use an ugly analogy: a slave has a problem if he has more than one master telling him where to go at the same time.
However if we want more than one gesture or if we want one anim node to play for a different period to another we will have to use more than one anim node per file.
Also we may prefer to use one anim node per seamless node to keep each seamless node independent from each other. This can make importing and exporting animated models much easier.
This is all logical but it can get confusing so If you are confused by any of this please let me know so that I can elaborate or use different words.

I look forward to seeing Isa's animations

Great work Isa!!! the pumpkin has a lot of character which I very much like
Please send me your smls file so that I may see why the wrl animates differently to the smls file

yes yes Thyme , btw I made this old ( 6 months ago ? )
http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/animtete.wrl

with only a node ......
well...

another thing :

I installed Fraps .....
the frame rate is good BUT :

the avi we get has a codec ......ppl needs to install Fraps to read the avi !!

and when I tried to upload my test to youtube , it failed ! because of that codec ......

so , I wil thanx mutant ...for the idea ......but it seems not the right solution

Thanks for the info Alain
Yes so many programs but so few offering a solution to what I would have imagined was not much of an ask.

Creating the still pictures (the frames) is not the challenge for me though because povray will do this task better than any real time video card.

Same as you Alain, having the wrong codecs has been one of the big problems I have faced when trying out various video programs.

I thought the only real challenge for me was joining the frames but now I realise I need this and I need to be able to add sound too to make a movie.

I think I have finally found a free video editor that lets me do just that
It is called Blink:

http://www.radgametools.com/bnkdown.htm

To prove it delivers here is my movie updated with some voice added

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT6lxXleyeQ

for more info on this subjects see:

http://www.seamless3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1624#1624

Dear Alain, Isa and all LouiZe Friends

Both the French and English versions for Seamless3d 2.123 are available for download from:

www.seamless3d.com/download

2.123 has 6 new nodes designed for the purpose of creating high quality sound tracks.
To see how to use these nodes please see my tutorial Creating a Sound Track:

www.seamless3d.com/tut/soundtrack/index.html

2.123 has had a number of bugs fixed and also a number of improvements have been made.
I have made it so seamless can output a POV-Ray movie for an Anim node by right clicking on the Anim node in the scene tree.
For well over a decade I have wanted to make a 3d animated move using povray and now with the popularity of 3d animated movies featuring in you tube I see a great opportunity.

2.123 completes my 4th priority for the year by adding a set of Bezier nodes to match the Elliptical set.
Months ago I would have expected the main focus for this version to be on these new Bezier nodes, however, although these new Bezier nodes make seamless easier than ever before to create smooth high quality avatars, there is doubt about the future of these nodes because of yet newer nodes being developed that may be even simpler to use.
Since 2.122 I have played about with Bezier Patches which seemed like a logical evolutionary step for Seamless and progressed onto Rational Bezier Patches and NURBS and then Polygon Subdivision.
I really wanted to write a demo this year to show how to make an avatar using seamless build nodes but I feel now more time is needed to test out the new methods.

Many thanks to Mutant for helping me find Audacity and Anvil Studio and many thanks to Alain and Lilly for their help and support in this project

aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!

I do like the concept !!!

I and isa we are learning from the tutorial ,
it is not very easy LOL

but I hope to "show" a good sound tomorrow

many thanks to be so creative , Thyme

wowww !!!!

( I am very lost for the moment with the sound ..)

but the ouput povray movie works very well !!!!!!