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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptyThu 25 Oct - 19:39

yes yes Thyme , btw I made this old ( 6 months ago ? )
http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/animtete.wrl

with only a node ......
well...

another thing :

I installed Fraps .....
the frame rate is good BUT :

the avi we get has a codec ......ppl needs to install Fraps to read the avi !!

and when I tried to upload my test to youtube , it failed ! because of that codec ......

so , I wil thanx mutant ...for the idea ......but it seems not the right solution
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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptySun 28 Oct - 2:57

Thanks for the info Alain Mr. Green
Yes so many programs but so few offering a solution to what I would have imagined was not much of an ask.

Creating the still pictures (the frames) is not the challenge for me though because povray will do this task better than any real time video card.

Same as you Alain, having the wrong codecs has been one of the big problems I have faced when trying out various video programs.

I thought the only real challenge for me was joining the frames but now I realise I need this and I need to be able to add sound too to make a movie.

I think I have finally found a free video editor that lets me do just that Mr.Red
It is called Blink:

http://www.radgametools.com/bnkdown.htm

To prove it delivers here is my movie updated with some voice added Smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT6lxXleyeQ

for more info on this subjects see:

http://www.seamless3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1624#1624

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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptyFri 16 Nov - 19:31

Dear Alain, Isa and all LouiZe Friends Very Happy

Both the French and English versions for Seamless3d 2.123 are available for download from:

www.seamless3d.com/download

2.123 has 6 new nodes designed for the purpose of creating high quality sound tracks.
To see how to use these nodes please see my tutorial Creating a Sound Track:

www.seamless3d.com/tut/soundtrack/index.html

2.123 has had a number of bugs fixed and also a number of improvements have been made.
I have made it so seamless can output a POV-Ray movie for an Anim node by right clicking on the Anim node in the scene tree.
For well over a decade I have wanted to make a 3d animated move using povray and now with the popularity of 3d animated movies featuring in you tube I see a great opportunity.

2.123 completes my 4th priority for the year by adding a set of Bezier nodes to match the Elliptical set.
Months ago I would have expected the main focus for this version to be on these new Bezier nodes, however, although these new Bezier nodes make seamless easier than ever before to create smooth high quality avatars, there is doubt about the future of these nodes because of yet newer nodes being developed that may be even simpler to use.
Since 2.122 I have played about with Bezier Patches which seemed like a logical evolutionary step for Seamless and progressed onto Rational Bezier Patches and NURBS and then Polygon Subdivision.
I really wanted to write a demo this year to show how to make an avatar using seamless build nodes but I feel now more time is needed to test out the new methods.

Many thanks to Mutant for helping me find Audacity and Anvil Studio and many thanks to Alain and Lilly for their help and support in this project Razz
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aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!

I do like the concept !!!

I and isa we are learning from the tutorial ,
it is not very easy LOL

but I hope to "show" a good sound tomorrow Smile

many thanks to be so creative , Thyme Smile

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wowww !!!!

( I am very lost for the moment with the sound ..)

but the ouput povray movie works very well !!!!!!

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Good to hear about the success in outputting a povray movie Alain Mr.Red
The seamless synthesizer can be broken down to very simple components so if I ask a few questions I should be able to help.
My first question is do you hear any sound at all (in the output wav file) after adding a HarmonicPatch to an Oscillator?
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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptySat 17 Nov - 17:26

Well.....so .......

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I opened an old smls file , witch was animated ..
I got an avi file ! I was very happy !
http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/animtete.avi

But hours after , I retried with others animated smls files .....and I got nothing Sad
except a name without any extension , around 150 ko .....and it was not an avi file ....
same with the animtete.smls I used before ..

I wondered if my animtete.avi was on olf files I had months ago , I can't remember Sad

So I am very lost now ..

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about the sound , it is ok to get one
for instance :

http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/son5.wav


I will retry all that ....

But from the output wrl ,

I get

VRML syntax error: line 4 in D:\Mes documents\son4.wrl (D:\Mes documents\son4.wrl):
Unknown Node class "Composition"

Code:
#VRML V2.0 utf8
#generated by Seamless3d 2.123 www.seamless3d.com

Composition{
delay 2
duration 3
track [
Track{
voices 2
detune 10
volume .1
sound [
Oscillator{
point [0 2 1 0]
volume .1
timbre HarmonicPatch{
point [etc]
weight [1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1]
uKnot [0 0 0 1 2 2 2]
vKnot [0 0 0 1 2 2 2]
dim 4 4
vCoord [etc]
multiply [etc]
}
}
Phrase{
sound Oscillator{
point [0 0 1.847375 0]
timbre HarmonicPatch{
point [etc]
weight [1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1]
uKnot [0 0 0 1 2 2 2]
vKnot [0 0 0 1 2 2 2]
dim 4 4
vCoord [etc]
multiply [etc]
}
}
}
]
}
]
}

what is that ??


How did you go both t the vrml shape and the sound you have in your youtube movie , Thyme ??*


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after all that I got some mails from Thyme ,

it is ok with the good3.wav ,

http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/good3.wav

so I will try to be so good LOL

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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptySat 17 Nov - 18:00

! alain good son .wav Smile))

yesterday i have strange sound lol!

Quote :
VRML syntax error: line 4 in D:\Mes documents\son4.wrl (D:\Mes documents\son4.wrl):
Unknown Node class "Composition"

yesterday i have that too .... when i see the .wrl
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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptySat 17 Nov - 23:26

Hi Alain and Isa thanks for trying my new sound track nodes Smile
I see you generated a wav file Alain and slid the pitch Mr.Red this is success! Mr.Red
But I must clear something up about the sound track nodes.
They are only designed for creating a wav file (for a sound track in a movie or just for an mp3 or possibly you can use the wav file after it is generated in a vrml file).
It is important to understand you can not output any of the new sound track nodes to anything other than a wav file.
Think of the Composition node as a node that replaces the Scene node for making sounds instead of making shapes.
Only use the Composition node's output button when making a sound track. It wont do any harm if you accidentally click the Scene node's output button but the wrl will be of no use to us so just delete it.
Blink is still needed to mix the wav file into the movie file.
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lol! Alain I just realised for today you show a rail track going into the ocean:

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Is this how you feel about the new sound track nodes? hehehehehe Mr.Red
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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptySun 18 Nov - 0:31

LOL Thyme , it is OK , outputing a sound ,
I am Ok with that and I feel very great that you have a 3D modeller to play music ,
indeed , it is not a joke , I do like your ideas .

I first tought that it was able to have a shape morphed during the track is playing ,
Smile
but it was just an idea , .....indeed I dont understand well what it is this shape we have
in the harmonic node , but I am very bad about music Smile

So dont worry , I will retry the way having sounds , it is a creative way .

Hey , could I add something about politics ? LOL

We have a strike here in France ,
workers in the stations, trains , etc , have to fight againts our stupid governement .
I am very angry about all that , you know me , LOL ,
because many people don't want to understand that
when the government wins against some workers , he will win against all others .
But solidarity between workers is not the most used Sad

I will post my fists attemps on seamless forum ,
but seamless forum dont needs any politic pollution , LOL ,
reason why I wait here for the moment , LOL

all my stuff about the strike is here ,
https://closed.forumactif.com/i-think-donc-je-suis-f67/18-octobre-2007-t2057.htm
don't waste your time there , it is in french Smile

and I "finished" just now with that step LOL

http://dumenieu.free.fr/vrml/gare/gare4.wrl

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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptySun 18 Nov - 17:34

Sorry I have not followed this political issue that is happening in France Alain but I sympathize with you about the importance of having a system that is designed for the people, rather than a system designed to milk the people.
Right now here in Australia we are only one week away from the federal election.
I will vote for the greens first and then give my next preferences to any other minor party that leans in this direction and then after them I will preference the main opposition party in front of the present right wing government.
We have had the right in power for over a decade now and it would be just unbearable if they got in for another term.
Australia is one of the most polluting nations on earth per capita and our prime minister remains a green house skeptic much the same as bush in USA.
Why is science so much valued by the right when it comes to making nasty weapons that kill millions of people but when science says we are messing up the planet at an alarming rate and that we have no time for war if we want to save the planet, science is just a hypothetical.

I have started on a short simple tutorial to show how to make a you tube movie using povray and blink
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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptySun 18 Nov - 17:43

ah !! a tutorial !!

I am very lost , I thought that I was on the good way ,

when , after many trying , I have read


"can output a POV-Ray movie for an Anim node by right clicking on the Anim node in the scene tree. "
!!!

So I did !

( I was before , clicking the outpout PovRay movie in the left pannel ..



I got the povray files ,
and after others tryings in PovRay I got png files ...

But I dont know if you make the avi from Povray with these files ,
or with a converter ,
or in seamless

arggggg I am very lost Sad


and I am sure now that the animtete.avi , I got ,
2 days ago ,
it was an old one from camstudio Sad

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Sorry I am still working on the YouTube Movie Tutorial Alain.
Surprisingly I have forgotten how much work is involved in writing tutorials lol
I only now have to check over the spelling and add the links so I should have it uploaded tomorrow.
I found a minor bug in seamless that I hope did not cause you some frustration affraid , I found you need to also check the outputToPovRay field in the scene node when outputting to a movie.
This will be explained in the tutorial but the next version of seamless wont need this to be done. bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptyWed 21 Nov - 12:42

LOL I beg your pardon , Thyme ,

I wanted to "answer" jacinto and Anne about blender ,

http://schizzo.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=385#p385

so I used your girl ava ...

http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/brasdonneur.wrl

Very Happy




it is also a joke about the railway workers negociating with our stupid government Smile


ok let's go for a more serious tutorial LOL

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LOL

recent step


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My Povray rendered 13 png files

I had to convert them to jpg with XnView

Then I used gif animator to make a gif ..

humm all that is a bit long Sad

I hope PovRay will can do the movie ,
but I can't find that Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Seamless   Seamless - Page 15 EmptyWed 21 Nov - 18:41

Hi Movie Makers Smile

Open Source Seamless3d 2.124 (including French and English) is available for download from:

www.seamless3d.com/download


To see my latest tutorial please go to:

www.seamless3d.com/tut/movie

This step by step tutorial shows how anyone today can make high quality 3d animated movies using free software and be able to reach a very wide audience.

I have spent a lot of time over the last few days trying to keep this tutorial as simple and straight forward to follow as possible.
There is in fact very little text to read throughout it. The size of it is mostly due to being rich in screen shots so please don't let this put you off.

While writing and testing this tutorial 2 minor bugs were found and fixed for 2.124 so please update.

One thing I have recently noticed very late just after I have uploaded everything (which takes me hours) is my YouTube movie I show how to make stops playing before it has finished but I did not have this problem yesterday.
So all problems have not been ironed out yet sadly Sad

I don't want to end on a sad note, I am still very excited about the idea of making YouTube movies. Over a decade ago before I had access to the Internet I wanted to make a movie using povray but wondered how would I get an audience. I belive YouTube should solve this problem.
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LOL Youtube solve nothing Smile

but WE will invade Youtube with semaless movies ,
as we began with some from camstudio ,

use the tag "vrml" , Thyme Smile

it is where we are with isa and jacinto and you etc Smile

ahah many thanx about blink tool too ...

http://dumenieu.free.fr/louizeforum/seamless/brasdonneur2.avi


3 MO but it was just to try quickly ,

I posted on seamless forum too , isa :

http://www.seamless3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1647#1647

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Thanks very much for testing blink out Alain, the avi looks interesting Mr. Green

Alain wrote:
use the tag "vrml" , Thyme Smile
But I already told you dear Alain I use the "vrml" tag on my YouTubes, dont you see them?
Do a search in YouTube for "vrml" and I am there Smile
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Hi Movie Makers Take 2 Smile

Open Source Seamless3d 2.125 (including French and English versions) is available for download from:

www.seamless3d.com/download


To see my updated tutorial please go to:

www.seamless3d.com/tut/movie

This step by step tutorial shows how anyone today can make high quality 3d animated movies using free software and be able to reach a very wide audience.


This tutorial replaces my previous movie making tutorial and is much simpler than before now that we use ffmpeg instead of blink.
Part of this reason is because I have made Seamless3d create a batch file to control ffmpeg when the povray files are created.
Instead of having to do 3 separate operations: Join the frames, mix in the sound and then convert to an AVI file we now only have to double click on the bat file and ffmpeg will merge the audio and frames into a flv file we can upload to youtube.
We have more options available too because ffmpeg can do all sorts of other formats including mpg which opens fine in windows media player and mp4 which opens fine in quick time (does anyone know if windows media player can be made to play mp4 too ?) .
I experimented with uploading mpg and mp4 which were a little more compact than the flv generated by default but in the end it seemed to me the youtube movies were noticeably higher quality when I uploaded a flv .

a bug crept into 2.123 that prevented the BoxBuild node from being colored. Thanks to Lilly discovering this but it has been fixed for 2.125

Many Thanks Alain for helping me find FFmpeg Smile (its a component of SUPER(C)) its better suited for what we want, simpler to use and its open source
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scuse to make you jumping here , Thyme ,
I just "archieve" here for isa and friends


http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=XdILZIhXK5s#GU5U2spHI_4


ps I tried others tag than vrml , so I see that I am in list with you now , LOL ( tag seamless3d )

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As I said I have 4 classes of 25 pupils and only 15 puters .
So , half of the class had to work by sketches during they wait for a puter ...and then to realize at home ...
The question was :
makee a sculpture seamless3D-like , "smooth" !
They had to find an idea and the material ...

I show here some works I got



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Smile)))))

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well....

just one vrml group for the 20 pupils

http://dumenieu.free.fr/ecole/seamless2007/4abcdgroupe2.wrl

and one more about animation

http://dumenieu.free.fr/ecole/seamless2007/4crobinravion.wrl


I add a funny pic about how working in 3D


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ps : I got your mail , Thyme ,
ok for the

exposedField SFBool isAvatar TRUE

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